The Holocaust Myth
by Bruce Hagen Thursday December 15, 2005 at 03:03 AM

What it is, and what it is not...

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Holocaust Revisionism in a Nutshell:
(Bruce Hagen)

Observers of the debate about the Holocaust may come away with some grotesque misimpressions about Holocaust Revisionism from the postings that appear on the Internet, pro and con. Here is what Holocaust Revisionism is and is not:

1 - Revisionists object to the terminology "THE Holocaust," which by implication suggests it was unique, monumental, over-arching, perhaps even the central historical event of our century if not epoch. In fact there have been many holocausts over the centuries, a good portion of them in our own Twentieth century. The Jewish Holocaust is merely one of them.

From the point of view of the world as a whole it is far from the greatest
or most terrible, Hollywood to the contrary notwithstanding. A marked improvement in both accuracy and objectivity can be achieved if the term "Jewish Holocaust" is substituted for the term "THE Holocaust."

2 - Having stated the previous, it is therefore obvious that Revisionists do not "deny" the Jewish Holocaust as their critics claim. (Though of course it is understandable why those critics assert this; if, in a debate about the shape of the earth, you can successfully pin on someone the label "flat-earther," you've scored big points even if what they say is very far from the absurdity of such a posture.) Revisionists are, in fact, Holocaust DIMINISHERS, not deniers. They are questioners about what they believe are significant exaggerations in the Holocaust tale, and they are critics of the view that somehow this historical event is beyond discussion on pain of being placed in the category of child-molester or worse, shunned by society, even fined and imprisoned by some so-called free countries in the western world.

3 - Revisionists do not deny that there was much Jewish suffering during WW II, that there were many Jews who had property confiscated wrongfully, that many Jews died of disease or starvation in terrible conditions or were killed, that there were terrible brutalities and atrocities committed against Jews by Germans and others. None of this do Revisionists deny. Revisionists do diminish the impact of these facts by pointing out that WWII was the bloodiest, deadliest, most atrocity-ridden conflict in the history of man and that there was criminal behavior on all sides. One need merely mention Dresden, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, the deadly carpet bombing of German and Japanese working class living areas, the Soviet rape of Germany in their 1945 advance, the treatment of German civilians and German POW's after the war. One could go on almost ad infinitum in this recitation of atrocities. Fifty million - some say sixty million - died as a result of the war. Was there more criminal behavior on one side than the other? Perhaps. Perhaps not. Many revisionists would probably tend to say no, because:

4 - Contrary to Holocaust Mythology there was no attempt by Nazis, or anyone else, to exterminate the Jews. There was an attempt, largely successful in the areas controlled by the Axis, to expel the Jews from Europe. In the context of the 1990's it was a terrible undertaking. In a different context, the context of European history over the last two millennia, the expulsion of the Jews from this region or that region was not uncommon. Historically there seems to be something about the Jews that brings forth a plenitude of animosity on the part of people amongst whom they live.

5 - What is the basis for Revisionists asserting there was no attempted genocide of the Jews? The linch-pin in this argument is simply that there were no gas chambers. None. Zero. Nada. There is NO evidence of gas chambers that an objective person can find credible. There is growing credible evidence that what purport to be the remains of gas chambers at Auschwitz, and elsewhere, are frauds - less believable than Potemkin villages. There are NO documents, NO orders, NO planning, NO blueprints, NO photographs, NO autopsies - NOTHING that is definitively or even reasonably credible to support gas chambers. It is not believable that an enterprise as massive as the extermination through gassing of six million people in two or three years in a chaotic environment would not leave behind some physical evidence, some documentary remains. And yet there isn't any. As Professor Arno Mayer, the Princeton historian (who is Jewish), has said, "Sources for the study of the gas chambers are at once rare and unreliable." He wouldn't make such an admission if any credible evidence existed. And he was writing in the late 1980's.

6 - What does exist - as Revisionists are as aware as anyone - are, by the tens or even hundreds of thousands, testimonies and confessions. Many, if not most, of the testimonies are preposterous, preternatural, not in keeping with the laws of the physical world. The confessions (were) typically made by persons seeking desperately to curry favor with their captors or their jailers, to save their lives and the lives of their families in the prostrate world of utterly defeated Nazi Germany. Most are "coerced" confessions, as in "sign this or we'll pull some more of your fingernails out. Or we'll turn your wife and children over to the Russians."

7. Also existing are testimonies of survivors of the concentration camps, of camp personnel, of nearby civilians who had some connection or other with the camps, testimonies which completely contradict the notion that massive extermination programs were ongoing. All of these testimonies are of course discounted and denigrated because they do not further Holocaustery. And then there are the aerial photographs made during the war by allied fly-overs of Auschwitz and other camps which lend no support whatever to the Holocaust story.

8 - Why would so many people lie? is the question invariably put to Revisionists. Some lie because it is quite profitable. There is no business like Shoah Business, said one Jewish observer some years ago in a candid moment. Others lie because it is helpful to Israel, or for any of thousands of other perfectly understandable reasons. Lying, or mythologizing, is a common human trait according to Joseph Campbell. Many others among the testifiers are not lying. They believe sincerely in what they proclaim about the gas chambers, about having seen them, about having seen the victims, about having seen the smoke rise from the stacks, etc. etc. They are "honest and true believers" (as Elizabeth Loftus would put it) in the myth because it is important to them and to the Jewish people that the myth survive. The Holocaust has become the unifying myth of modern Jewry, as we all know. Even Jews who believe in the Holocaust will admit this if they are honest. Some people believe in Jesus, some in Mohammed, some in the efficacy of crystals, some in the Jewish Holocaust Myth. Revisionists for the most part are non-believers in mythology.

9 - There were no gas chambers but there were many Jews who died or were killed. They were executed by the thousands for opposing German advances toward the east, for partisan activities connected with that opposition, for numerous other reasons. Jews by the tens of thousands died in the concentration camps of deadly epidemics of disease, they died in the latter stages of the war of starvation when Germany was collapsing. (Professor Mayer, a rare historian, has admitted many more Jews died this way than were executed.) How many died during the war? A lot. Most Revisionists would probably say half a million, perhaps as many as a million. But not six million. Too many survived the war for that number to be anything but part of the Jewish Holocaust Myth. If a million did die it was but two per cent of the total slaughter of World War II. That's the reality of the Jewish Holocaust. Two per cent. 98% of the blood bath of World War II involved other than Jews. Why, Revisionists ask, is almost the sole concentration today on Jewish deaths? Why has the Jewish Holocaust become "the" event of the 1930'S and 1940's around which all others revolve including even World War II itself?

10 - The truth about what Revisionists claim, in summary, is this:


1) The Jewish Holocaust is but one of many Holocausts even in the twentieth century;

2) There were no gas chambers and no attempt by the Germans to exterminate Jewry, expulsion being very different from extermination;

3) The common figure of six million is too large by 500% at least;

4) World War II was a slaughterhouse of unprecedented proportions for everyone involved - not just Jews, who made up perhaps 2% of the total fatalities.


In 50 or 100 years, when the Holocaust Myth has met its proper demise, what Revisionists believe today will be standard historical canon from which only cranks and religious zealots will dissent.

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Idiots for islam
by Da Nile Saturday December 17, 2005 at 04:54 PM

Hey, looks like liberal progressives share lots in commonw with:

Nazis
Commies
Moslems...
It must feel good to realize that your brain is on par with the maniac running Iran.
Birds of a Feather

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Nazis R Us
by authentic sewer diver™ Tuesday December 20, 2005 at 03:20 PM

Members of Habitat for Inhumanity restore the home of nessie, editor of the SF sewer, a known child predator.

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myths
by nessie Tuesday January 10, 2006 at 02:58 PM

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My name isn't nessie, but that doesn't mean it's not true.

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Notice to Cyber Stalkers
by Not O'Brien Tuesday January 10, 2006 at 05:00 PM

http://la.indymedia.org/news/2006/01/143975_comment.php

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stalk this, asswipe
by nessie Tuesday January 10, 2006 at 08:59 PM

What's so hysterical about this is in how the terrorist fellating Bush haters now squeal in delight over something Bush signed into law. Not that it means anything or will ever be enforced, but hippie sewage now think the government which they hate will save them from the mean widdle hecklers.

More proof that a Leftist has all the intellectual prowess of shit....

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Mr.
by Michael Saturday February 11, 2006 at 04:19 PM

I found your article thought-provoking. While I have many questions about what you wrote, the main one I have is this: Didn't the Allies free many camps during their advances into Germany and Eastern Europe (and isn't there photographic evidence of this)?

Further, you stated that no evidence was uncovered with regards to bodies that were presumably cremated. I'm not an expert on this, but isn't the human body mostly water, therefore not much would be left after a cremation? I know that when a loved one is cremated after death that the urn the ashes come in isn't very large.

I would be in favor of a serious discussion about this in a public forum. I have been to the Holocaust museum in Israel and it is quite moving. But a serious forum on this subject could either begin to prove or disprove the matter except for those whose minds will never be changed.

The assertions by the Iranian government seem flamboyant at best. Rather than rhetoric they should put forward solid evidence (if they have it).

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nessie is a Holocaust revisionist
by pointer Sunday February 12, 2006 at 09:57 AM

Check it out:

http://www.sfbg.com/nessie/26.html

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"nessie is a Holocaust revisionist"
by Harry Hay Sunday February 12, 2006 at 08:27 PM

That's not all he is, according to very close sources of mine.

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The REAL Holocaust Myth
by the real gehrig impersonator Wednesday February 15, 2006 at 06:15 AM
larry franklin@AIPAC

the REAL Holocaust myth is that it serves as a fabulous excuse for Zion-Nazis to steal and kill and incite war.

case closed.

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"kill and incite war"
by nessiephrenia Wednesday February 15, 2006 at 12:00 PM

I think there should be a Movement to kill child predators who edit indymedias. They should be aborted. They're nothing but a mass of cells that mean nothing to me. They're nothing but parasites who breathe our air and take up space and eat food better given to the more deserving.

Kill nessie!

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"Kill nessie!"
by heard it before Wednesday February 15, 2006 at 05:30 PM

Easier said than done.

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heard it before
by Boris Wednesday February 15, 2006 at 06:44 PM

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heard it before ....on SFIMC where nazi's go to chat

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David Gehrig is a Peadophile
by the real gehrig impersonator Wednesday February 15, 2006 at 06:51 PM

.

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"Easier said than done"
by nessiephrenia Wednesday February 15, 2006 at 09:30 PM

Easier said than done.

As has been said before, and as many many know, nessie could have it's nose driven into the back of it's skull by a first grade girl. As it is, it can't handle itself on the internet. It's constantly bitchslapped by me.

Ain't that right, NAMBLA boy? Stand still while I slap you around some more, you pathetic sack of garbage. Now hurry and post. You're so obsessed with me. Rush back for some more bitchslapping, loser.

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the objective of Gehrig (the paedophile)
by Psyche Cops™ Thursday February 16, 2006 at 05:55 AM

"The objective of this lesson
is for you to comprehend psychological operations
and how they may be employed
to influence
and adversary's behavior ..."

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Psyche Cops
by nessiephrenia Thursday February 16, 2006 at 07:58 AM

Psyche Cops, as in those mentally crippled robotic fuckwits who try and shout you down with screams of racist and Zionist and homophobe and hate crime?

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prion
by prion Tuesday March 14, 2006 at 06:38 PM

As long as ZIonists use the allegations of holocaust to solicite support for thier bloodsaoked crusade against Palestinians, it should be up to the ZIonists to proove thier allegations.

US forces did liberate camps and did come up back with video. And those viodeos did show many dead Jews. And those videos also showed fat assed Jews standing next to the dead bodies and they were cursing the nazis. So, why were there skin and bone bodies of jews right next to fat assed jews cursing the Nazis? According to the Red Cross, it was the jail house epidemics that were killing concentration camp prisoners. And that Allied bombing of railroads etc, which only got more intense towards the end of the war, was what prevented Nazis from getting supplies to the camps, which they were doing. According to the red cross, Nazis were trying to fight the epidemics that were killing people in the camps.

At one camp liberated by US forces, 30000 Jews had recently died after allied bombing cut off the water. Not that they were dying at a steady rate, as you would expect if the holocaust allegations were valid, but only after allied bombing cut the water six days earlier. And what happens to people suffering from typhus when they can't get any water? Any ideas on that one? Anybody? Well, amazingly they die. 30000 died all in less than 1 week. And that video gets shown to the ignorant masses as evidence of gass chambers. And the ignorant masses buy into it, even though there were fat assed Jews cursing Nazis in the same video.

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Revisionism is not denial
by Rational observer Saturday April 22, 2006 at 05:42 AM

Whether or not the Jewish Holocaust as traditionally represented in the media, in school textbooks, etc actually happened is, as with anything other ideas and events, up for debate. Revisionism is simply the method by which one questions and re-evaluates ideas, actions, decisions, history and given accounts about something. Sure, some profess themselves to be revisionists in order to carry out an agenda of Holocaust denial but for the most part revisionist work is genuine, honest, reflective and not hateful. People who critize this article perhaps do not understand the importance of questioning given data; it seems the people who have thus far attacked this article on here are irrational, nonthinking individuals who simply reassert the supposed truths fed to them by the champions of the contemporary world order of ideas (mass media, government, etc). Notice how 1 individual grouped communists, nazis, muslims, and everyone who is represented as anti-semitic, anti-American and anti-reality by the media and the political elite - this is a classic case of manipulation and distortion of reality. Do Americans realize that their post-war economy and technological and scientific break throughs was largely built by recruiting ex-nazis and nazi sympathizers? Do Americans realize that the USA installed ex-nazis into positions of power in areas of the world the US interfered in such as Latin America? Yes, this all happened and is all information you can research by reading US government documents. I doubt however that clarity and truth is what such people want.

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Read more
by pointer Saturday April 22, 2006 at 09:25 AM

Revisionism:

http://www.sfbg.com/nessie/26.html

Ex-Nazis:

http://www.transbay.net/~nessie/Pages/company.html

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one trick nessie
by one trick pony Friday May 12, 2006 at 09:01 PM

make a shorter link....

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the Homosexual myth
by Revisionist Tuesday May 16, 2006 at 01:50 PM
nessie@nambla.com

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They're just like you and me.

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one trick pony
by one trick pony Tuesday May 16, 2006 at 04:49 PM

one trick pony

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oh really?
by one trick mental cripple™ Tuesday May 16, 2006 at 05:16 PM

Which is the one trick pony? The Jew bashers, such as nessie? Or those who promotes Degeneracy, such as nessie?

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one trick pony
by one trick pony Tuesday May 16, 2006 at 06:15 PM

one trick pony

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post again, NAMBLA boy
by you *will* post again Tuesday May 16, 2006 at 06:19 PM

Post again, nessie. Show those Irish bloggers that you're obsessed with me, instead of brushing me off and staying in your sewer.

Make sure you also follow me to the other sites. Prove you crave my cock.

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Do you not realize that all intelligence doesn't begin with you!
by Some nobody who knows knowthing Tuesday May 16, 2006 at 06:27 PM

<i>"Do Americans realize that their post-war economy and technological and scientific break throughs was largely built by recruiting ex-nazis and nazi sympathizers? "<i/><p>
Why of course those of our last generation don't know it, because they're not teaching anything about it in public schools. And if they are: they are only teaching Liberal half truths; such as what you have just spouted off here, in order to turn out anti Americans like yourself.<p>
You see you don't even mention the fact that our knowlege of the A bomb was furtherd along by a famous German Scientist who just happened to be a Jew, and fled Germany before the Nazis began their reign of terror. I wonder how well our German and Japanese dialect would have developed here in America and Europe, had we not recieved the help of others like Albert E.<p>
And why your so busy trying to slam America for all the ills of the world, let me ask you a very pointed question: Just what was the rest of the world doing to stop the rise of Totalitarian and or Communist States before or after W W II?<p> I suppose the Great Humanitarian Joseph Stalin ,or Pol Pot is more to your taste of leaders?
America is not without blemish, but it is a damn sight better for all the positive things it has done for humanity. Far more than any other nation on the face of this planet has, or will ever offer!<p>
If it weren't true, then why have people been selling all they have, risking life and limb to get here for the past 3 centuries?

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Things never seen
by Lying in waite Tuesday May 16, 2006 at 06:44 PM

"And those videos also showed fat assed Jews standing next to the dead bodies "
I have studied the World War II history pretty indepth for more that 30 years, and have seen most every news reel of Nazi death camps, and in all that time, I have never seen what you have just stated.
Now I am not one to call people I have never met a lie, but you are either regurgitating something someone told you, or you are purposely telling an untruth in order to further an evil agenda.
If you have proof of what you are talking about, why not post us a link to it, or at least tell us what particular video clip you are referencing so that we can view it ourselves.
IF you are unable to do this: then it is clear that you are Pro Arab, and extremly anti semitic. But maybe your just a typical liberal dumbass idiot, and you simply can't help yourself.

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one trick pony
by one trick pony Tuesday May 16, 2006 at 07:03 PM

one trick pony

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I'm a homo
by one trick nessie Tuesday May 16, 2006 at 08:16 PM

slurp and burp

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one trick pony
by one trick pony Tuesday May 16, 2006 at 08:50 PM

one trick pony

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bot attack
by bot attack Tuesday May 16, 2006 at 09:13 PM

bot attack

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one trick pony
by one trick pony Wednesday May 17, 2006 at 06:48 AM

one trick pony

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bot attack
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bot attack

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